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2023.06.01 20:01 greetthemoth Radagon is Mortal: Elaborating on TAs recent theories.
In Tarnished Archeologists new video, he reveals the idea that Maliketh was the one that Impaled Marika with the spear of destined death after Marika asked him to.submitted by greetthemoth to EldenRingLoreTalk [link] [comments]
This made me think a lot about his timeline video and how that event would fit into it.
If you haven't watched his Golden Order video, he suggests a very unique timeline of events. The biggest deviation being that Marikas shattering of the Elden ring and Radagon's repair of the Elden ring where separate events. In fact, in his timeline, Radagon only emerged after the initial shattering of the Elden ring.
While this timeline is very different to how most of the community looks at the game, nothing in the game overtly contradicts it, so I've been seriously considering it since the video released.
So a thought dawned on me yesterday, what if the spear of destined death impaled into Marika is what created Radagon.
Radagon is a character that i believe i have a solid conceptual understanding of, so I was surprised to find that this idea not only worked with my understanding of Radagon, but elaborated on it, like it was the missing piece all along.
So without further ado here's my elaboration on TA's timeline, starting from the point of Marika being impaled by the spear, all the way to Radagon repairing the Elden Ring.
*I recommend watching the 2 videos linked above before reading this as i will proabbaly skip most of the details in them.
The Impaling of MarikaAs TA concludes, Marika asks maliketh to impale her with destined death. I believe this did 2 things. Shatter the Elden Ring, and give Marika mortality.
This event also causes the "first burning" of the Erdtree. Meaning the erdtree no longer exists.This causes the end of the age of plenty.
From TA's timeline video.
In the "incantation timeline" above ,all the incantations shown belonged to the age of plenty. It starts with the Elden Stars incantation, and Mysteriously ends with Maliketh's Black Blade. This would make sense if Malikeths DD spear was what ended the age of plenty.
But why did Marika do this? There are a couple possibilities.
○ She wanted to end her age, or at least bring the potential for an end to her age.
○ She wanted to become a mortal Radagon, with the purpose of perfecting the golden order.
○ Or maybe she didn’t want it to happen, and someone else tricked Maliketh into doing it under the guise of Marika.
Id like to add that there is already precedence for Marika ordering people to kill her, as she asks Hewg to make a weapon that can kill a god.
As TA elaborates, the shattering of the elden ring leads to the Era of Erdtree worship. (timestamp). We know this because spells and items associated with this era specifically remark on the shattering of the Elden ring.
Wrath of Gold
"This incantation was discovered when the Elden Ring was shattered*, and it was feared as a sign of the Erdtree's wrath.*" - Wrath of Gold
" A formless sacred seal decorated with an Erdtree crest, once the focus of religion in the Lands Between.Even though the Elden Ring is shattered, and the Erdtree has dulled from its former radiance, earnest faith continues to hold the answers." - Erdtree seal
The physical Erdtree has long been gone since the shattering of the Elden ring, but due to the faith of those who study belive the Erdtree, an illusiory tree manifests in its place.
" It was once thought that the blessed sap of the Erdtree would drip from its boughs forever -- but that age of plenty swiftly came to a close*, and with time, the Erdtree became more an* object of faith*." - Blessed Dew Talisman*See TA's the Erdtree is an illusion video for more on this subject.
*Its also possible the illusory tree only comes about later in the timeline, perhaps after Radagon marries Rennala, or after establishing golden order fundamentalism.
Radagon EmergesDue to being imbued with destined death, Marika reemerges as a mortal man, a mere champion, Radagon.
"This incantation was used by the champions of the Erdtree in the First and the Second Liurnian Wars, during which the red-haired Radagon joined the heroes' ranks " - Barrier of GoldHere is some evidence for Radagon being mortal.
Radagon is tied to the red spear, and the clue has staring at us right in the face: Before our fight with Radagon we see Marika with the red spear impaled into her. But when she falls and reemerges as Radagon, the spear is gone. But Why? The only way to interpret this is by concluding that Radagon himself is somehow tied to the spear. In hindsight, the conclusion is obvious, Radagons red hair, is the mark of the spear.
Radagon hates his red hair because its the mark the spear that impaled marika, and the mortality it gave him. Its also a symbol for the shattered state the world is in.
At this point the Golden order is in shambles, shattered and in dire need of repair, and Radagon's whole purpose is to reverse the damage, and find a way to make the himself, and the Golden Order whole again.
Radagon external yearning to repair the world, manifested as an internal yearning to become complete. This would lead him on a quest to study the depths of the Golden Order.
u/IStarScream said it first. At the Minor Erdtree Church its Radagon, not Marika that declares his purpose,
"I declare mine intent, to search the depths of the Golden Order.In order to understand the golden order he calls for an end to the days of "blind belief", or faith, alone. The Golden Order had to expand its horizons.
If you're confused about Radagon's motivations you have to remember that Radagon is the personification of the Golden Order. Thus while it may seem like he has multiple goals and motivations:Curing his mortality, becoming a god, Hating his hair, Repairing the Elden Ring, Understanding the Golden Order, becoming Complete, and to repair the Elden Ring.
All his internal motivations and external motivations are linked together: In completing himself he is competing the Golden Order, in curing his mortality, he would become a god and make an Eternal Age. In a sense of his goals are all synonymous, because they lead him down the path of self-completion.
Radagon's JourneyIn alchemy the way you reach the magnum opus (the key to immortality) is by separating and recombining opposites. *This is a simplified understanding for the purposes of this theory.
If Marika's shattering of the Elden ring was the Separation Step. Radagon's purpose is the Unification step. *This may offer insight into why Marika decided to shatter in the first place.
Unitication is one of Radagon's most important theme. The first thing Radagon did is make amends with the Rennala, the queen of the full moon and end the Lurinian war, eventually Marrying her and uniting the Erdtree with the Moon. As Miriel tells us:
"Radagon once cleansed himself with celestial dew, repented his territorial aggressions, and swore his love to Rennala. The Order of the Erdtree and the fate of the moon were conjoined, and all the wounds of war forgiven. -Miriel, Pastor of Vows"It was Radagon that made the Vows and bathed himself in celestial dew.
In his path for completion he learns both sorcery and incantations.
"As the husband of Rennala of Caria, the red-haired Radagon studied sorcery, and as the husband of Queen Marika, he studied incantations. Thus did the hero aspire to be complete." - Radagons IconJust as he makes himself more complete by learning sorceries and incantations, he makes the understanding of the Golden Order, more complete by uniting the Erdtree with the Moon.
Skipping forward in the timeline, Radagon leaves Rennala and returns to Lleyndel. And this leads us to Fundamentalism.
FundamentalismWith his newfound knowledge Radagon utilizes both faith and Intelligence to reach a deeper understading of the Golden order, by establishing GO fundamentalism.
There's several clues for this.
Its also possible Radagon's hatred of his mortality, is the sentimental origin of the fundamentalist rabid hatred for Those Who Live in Death. Although this idea is admittedly loose at the moment.
A short note on Regression
The Law of Regression
One of the 2 laws the fundamentalists use to study the GO is The Law of Regression. Its the spell used to prove Radagon is Marika. Doing so advances Goldmasks questline and leads to you unlocking the Totality gesture, Radagon's signature pose. This also leads Goldmask to create a rune of perfect order. Which serves as conceptual evidence that Radagons goal was the same as Goldmasks, a Perfect Order. Complete and Eternal.
The Law of Regression has a lot of conceptual ties to Radagon. "All things yearn to converge". And as we've been talking about, Radagon's unification of the Erdtree and the Moon, and utilization of both intelligence and faith, are both examples of "convergence". His eventual act of repairing elden ring is also an example of "convergence". The list goes on, but I want to elaborate on Radagon and his 'Reggressionary nature', in a separate post that will delve deep into the game's allegory.
Radagon's FailureFor reasons i only have conceptual answers for, his plan to become complete ultimately didn’t work. And Marika spurns him.
"O Radagon, leal hound of the Golden Order.And so the Elden ring is Shattered... again???
While a "second shattering" may sound like an absurdity at first, I think there is compelling proof for it.
" A golden seed, found at the base of an illusory tree*.*Assuming Erdtree seeds only spread when the Elden ring is shattered. Its peculiar that we have 2 distinct generation of Erdtree offspring in the game: The minor erd trees which are well grown, and the young translucent trees that grow from the golden seeds we find in the game. This would make perfect sense if they are results of 2 separate shatterings, one when a physical erdtree existed, in the age of plenty, and one when an illusory, faith powered, erdtree existed.
Peculiarly the tree in the aforementioned, Minor Erd Tree Church, seems like a more mature version of the illusory trees we find.
This detail is one of the things that makes me think that the illusiory trees are tied specifically to Radagon's rise in influence, and his attempts at reinvigorating the golden order. After all, this church is the location where Radagon first declared his purpose.
There's also already a subtle motif of historical events happening in pairs. There are 2 Lurinian wars, 2 defenses of Lleyndels, which gives some precdence fro their being 2 Shatterings.
The Shattering Wars
This second shattering is the one that leads to the Shattering Wars we know of.
This part of the essay is when I indulge in allegorical and conceptual analysis, so fair warning.
The Law of Causality / Radagon's Rings of Light (or \"Divine Laws Punishment\" in 1.00)
Radagon's Rings of Light in the 1.00 version is called "Divine Law's Punishment", I believe this spell is invoking the events of the "second shattering". Its a GO incantation that uses radagons iconic Totality gesture and depicts a huge ring explosively expanding outward from the caster. While the name is eventually changed, to Radagons Ring's of Light, I believe the original name is far too evocative to be mere accident. I believe it originally represented Radagon's attempt at repairing the elden ring, ultimately failing.
Let's me elaborate. Firstly, what is the "Divine Law" in question. Well, another GO incantation that depicts a ring expanding, or more specifically, shattering out, is the Law of Causality(credit to u/Dryadversity), the second fundamental law. The spell creates manifests a ring on your body, and after taking 5 hits, the ring shatters.
In short the Law of Causality is the counter force to the Law of Regression. It responds to regression's inward force by "retaliating" with an outward force. Things come together, and upon impact, they come apart. TA arrives at the same idea by comparing these Laws to Newton's Laws of Motion. Lore YTber Crunchy was the first I've heard elaborate on this idea.
If Radagon is Regression, the force of unification and repair, then Marika is causality, the force that pushes things apart and seeks to shatter -- Two sides of the same coin.
Hense the "Divine Law's Punishment" is Marika's Punishment to Radagon. Or more allegorically put, Casuality's punishment to Regression. This is why Radagon couldn't become Complete, and why he failed to repair the Elden Ring. He had not become complete, "yet to become a god", and he is shattered my Marika. For the same reason his attempt at repairing the elden ring ended in it simply shattering. In both cases, his attempt at Regression results in Causality.
This is the tragedy, the joke, at the core of Radagon's character: If you hit a ring made of glass with a hammer, it doesn't matter if your intention is to repair it, you will simply break it more. Why? In our world we'd blame Newton's third law of motion. In Elden ring we'd blame the Law of Casuality.
Marika shattering the Elden Ring the second time around, and Radagon repairing it were the same event, the same person, at the same moment. Radagon just failed so miserably at repairing it, that he, as Marika, was simply shattering it more. The laws of nature were not on his side.
This is an Elaboration of TAs recent theories.Marika shattered the Elden ring by getting Maliketh to impale her with Destined Death, this is Marika's betrayal to Maliketh. Marika , now imbued with DD, reemerges as Radagon a mortal, the red hair being a symbol for the red spear and the mortality it cursed him with. Radagon attempts to become immortal by becoming complete, understanding the golden order, and repairing the elden ring. He learns sorceries and Incantations and starts fundamnetalism, this however ultimately fails as Marika shatters them both, and the Elden ring, once more. There are 2 shatterings of the elden ring, which is why there are 2 generation of Erdtree Offspring.
At first TA's timeline seemed pretty crazy to me, but the more ive thought about it, the more its starting to grow on me. As the full picture starts to come together, a lot of things just seem to work. So what are your thought on this version of events? Please let me know if there are any holes in this theory or in my reasoning.
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What will you be doing with this PC? Be as specific as possible, and include specific games or programs you will be using.Gaming: CSGO & CS2; MW2; Elden Ring; Squad; Battlefield; Apex; Planetside 2; Insurgency Sandstorm; etc...
What is your maximum budget before rebates/shipping/taxes?$5,000
When do you plan on building/buying the PC? Note: beyond a week or two from today means any build you receive will be out of date when you want to buy.ASAP
What, exactly, do you need included in the budget? (ToweOS/monitokeyboard/mouse/etc)I have already picked out the monitor that I need included in the budget, it is $1,050: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MC3gXL/asus-rog-swift-360hz-pg27aqn-270-2560-x-1440-360-hz-monitor-90lm0820-b01370
Which country (and state/province) will you be purchasing the parts in? If you're in US, do you have access to a Microcenter location?Atx, I have the Dallas & Houston Microcenters both 3 hours away.
If reusing any parts (including monitor(s)/keyboard/mouse/etc), what parts will you be reusing? Brands and models are appreciated.I have a Bluetooth headset and mouse, a wired mic and keyboard, and a second monitor I'll be using.
Will you be overclocking? If yes, are you interested in overclocking right away, or down the line? CPU and/or GPU?Interested in doing it down the line but would appreciate a build that doesn't need it for most games.
Are there any specific features or items you want/need in the build? (ex: SSD, large amount of storage or a RAID setup, CUDA or OpenCL support, etc)Just a 4090 and the 7900X3D or 7800X3D if it will help save money that can be used on other components.
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Do you have any specific case preferences (Size like ITX/microATX/mid-towefull-tower, styles, colors, window or not, LED lighting, etc), or a particular color theme preference for the components?Nothing huge but nothing too small. I hate seeing cramped PCs, especially with the 4090. So probably mid-tower to full-tower. Big fan of minimalist, clean, themed looks and I dislike a ton of RGB.
Do you need a copy of Windows included in the budget? If you do need one included, do you have a preference?Yes Windows 11 Home (64-bit) via USB is the best and easiest I think.
Extra info or particulars:Thank you guys so much, I can't wait to build it and post pics! :)
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